Monday, August 22, 2005

War Is Over!

Mr. Bush should have met with grieving mother Cindy Sheehan on the first day she came to Crawford, Texas and camped outside his compound.

Joan Baez turned up in Crawford, Texas yesterday in support of Cindy Sheehan's cause and to comfort other military parents grieving for their fallen children. There are two camps presently in Crawford: Camp Casey, named after Cindy's fallen soldier-son with those supporting her efforts to meet with Mr. Bush and Fort Qualls, named for Marine Lance Cpl. Louis Qualls, another victim- soldier in the Iraqi war and the supporters of the war and Mr. Bush.

We, as a nation listen to the pundits debate the aspects of this war... and the death toll rises. We, as individuals scratch our heads and ask ourselves how we really feel about this on going conflict... and more and more die. Were we and are we still being told the truth about the reasons for the war? When will we ever feel safe again? Why does the nation seem split over what is happening in Iraq and Crawford and why can't we unite, as a country behind the war effort?

The safest stance seems to say, "I'm not sure about the war...but I support the troops! - Make no mistake about that, I support our troops." Well the time has come for us that do support the boys and girls, and yes- the majority of the soldiers are only boys and girls barely out of their teens, as most soldiers have been throughout history- to demand that they be relieved of their duty and allowed to return home.

Let the old men and women of the world decide to fight this war themselves. Give the conservative pundits and the elitists in our ivy league colleges and universities as well as those in the corporate boardrooms the option of fighting this war. Let the oil company executives fight this war (they surely have enough revenue coming in to support their efforts). Let the congressman and senators and even President Bush and his cabinet offer up their children and grandchildren to be soldiers and fight this war.

Let our kids come home.


Blogger Gretchen Coleman said...

Boy, this is such a difficult topic, and polarizing as we can all see. I do know that I would not want to be in Mr. Bush's shoes, having to make the decisions that he is making. Everyone is very quick to judge him and his actions, I say try putting on his shoes. You want him to send his children to the war, why don't you send yourselves to the White House?

"Judge ye not that ye be judged"

That said, I sure wish the war would end, do not get the impression that I am in favor of the war. I am just not in favor of judging our President.

It is fine for us all to sit in our cozy homes and make decisions based on what the MEDIA tells us. They are one of the most unreliable sources of information around. They slant the news whichever way best sells.

If any of you have read the Bhagavad Gita, you will understand that sometimes war is necessary. In that story Arjuna is faced with war against his friends and relatives. Krishna helps him understand that sometimes it takes something as harsh and violent as a war to set the world aright again.

Again, I will state that I am not for the war, and I certainly empathize with those who have lost their loved ones. But I'm not sure disparaging our President is the answer.

8:59 AM  
Blogger isaiah said...

Thanks for your comments Gretchen.

There is no truth here in the topic of the Iraqi war...only shades of black and white, otherwise the whole country would be united behind the war. This is as close as I can come to stating why the war isn't being supported as some would like.

If you'll read my post closely, I made no judgments against Mr. Bush. I only said that as someone surrounded by such smart people he should have ended Cindy Sheehan's protest the day it started by simply meeting with her. This is my belief...not a judgment.

The media has its own agendas- I only know what I feel inside about violence, over coming violence, and peace. I do not hold much faith in what I read and hear in the media from either side.

I do not want anyone’s children sent to fight a war. My son is only 7 years away from drafting/ enlisting age. But what if the old, the rich, and the elite fought wars instead (which of course will never be the case because the powerful and rich don't fight wars, the young, poor, underprivileged most always bear the brunt of war)?

I am not trying to persuade you to take any position other than the one you are ready to experience.

"Victory creates hatred. Defeat creates suffering. The wise ones desire neither victory nor defeat... Anger creates anger... He who kills will be killed. He who wins will be defeated... Revenge can only be overcome by abandoning revenge... The wise seek neither victory nor defeat."

Words of The Buddha

10:09 AM  
Blogger Meredith said...

Thank you for posting on this, Tommy. It is so difficult. I have few words, only many prayers. Among them, "Blessed are the peacemakers."

2:10 AM  
Blogger Gretchen Coleman said...

Hey Isaiah - I really wasn't directing the judging at you personally, I have just heard so much lately from people bashing Bush. So I apologize if it came off that way.

But I do think there is a generalization about who is fighting the war "(which of course will never be the case because the powerful and rich don't fight wars, the young, poor, underprivileged most always bear the brunt of war)". It is not just the poor and underprivileged. There are soldiers in the war who want to be there defending our nation. Who consider it an honor. I have the deepest respect for those individuals. And I have a deep respect for those who don't want to be there but are doing the job they signed up for - because they had a choice about that - to the best of their abilities.

And I think it is an oversimplization to say "he should have ended Cindy Sheehan's protest the day it started by simply meeting with her". If everytime someone protested something Bush dropped what he was doing to meet with them the day they started, he wouldn't get anything else done. And I don't mean to say her cause is not important, it is just unrealistic to think Bush can cancel everything else he has going on at the drop of a hat.

I don't know why I am belaboring the point, makes me sound like a war supporter. I guess I just have faith that there is a reason that this is happening and it should play out like it is supposed to - whatever that is. Could just as easily be in the cards for Bush to meet with Cindy and stop the war.

8:51 AM  
Blogger gratefulbear said...

When Gandhi was attempting to liberate his country by using the principles of nonviolence, he was not able to use the Bhagavad Gita to help him in this cause (even though he loved it, and it was a tremendous help to him devotionally). He had to go outside his tradition, to the Sermon on the Mount, which takes a radically different approach not only to conflict but to life as a whole. Jesus, whom George W. Bush claims to follow (at least as his "favorite philosopher") was a pacifist, and George W. is a warmonger who uses death and violence for his own political and economic gain. If saying that means I'm "judgmental," or "spiritually incorrect," so be it. I believe we are called upon to speak the truth. I don't think speaking the truth about George W. is "judging" but acknowledging: recognizing the obvious.

9:10 AM  
Blogger isaiah said...


Thank you for taking the time to help us understand where you are coming from. I realize you are not taking a position of support for the war. Your feelings are what many, many others don't 'feel' any less by voicing your opinions.

"I guess I just have faith that there is a reason that this is happening and it should play out like it is supposed to - whatever that is." You are right about this- there is a reason and it will play out exactly as it will. We as individuals can also affect the outcome.

Perhaps there is needed only one more voice for the momentum to reach critical mass and for all conflict to be resolved. Well, this is precisely the case… it always only takes “one- more-voice.” Perhaps you are that voice.

9:29 AM  
Blogger Gretchen Coleman said...

Hi all, I hesitate to even comment again. Looks like a chord was struck in gratefulbear. I certainly did not mean to imply that those who do feel strongly about Bush and the war in Iraq are exhibiting non-spiritual opinions. I don't feel that way at all. I just personally cannot label Bush a warmonger and say he is only out for personal gain. He may be both of those things. But I don't KNOW that and I can't say for certain that his actions are conclusive.

I also questioned his motives when Halliburton and Bechtel received work out of this. Bush is certainly making it easy for people to question motives.

I just think there are two sides to every story and until I have heard both from the source, I can't condemn Bush. I don't have the spiritual connection down well enough to KNOW he is wrong. To say don't finish what you started, abandon it now. On the flip side of our troops, and others, dying, one hears stories from the oppressed in Iraq who are so grateful we are there. What do we say to those people when we pull out without a definite conclusion? Fend for yourselves? We came in and started this mess and are leaving it to you? That's where I have the problem.

10:30 AM  

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